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The New Jersey Star-Ledger reports that four have pleaded guilty to illegally obtaining visas and green cards.

Four men from India pleaded guilty in federal court yesterday to participating in an immigration scam that authorities say was run by an Edison businessman.

The defendants said they paid the man, Nilesh Dasondi, thousands of dollars in exchange for his help to illegally secure work visas and green cards. Dasondi, a former Edison zoning official, was charged in June with conspiracy and is free on bail.

They all face up to five years in prison and a $250,000 fine when they are sentenced in May.

This is the yield after 19 years of the H-1B and other employer visa programs. The purpose of employer visas, categorized as non immigrant, is ostensibly to provide needed skills and to stimulate the US economy. Conventional wisdom in the pro-visa camp would have it that one visa will provide enough economic growth to create four to five additional jobs in the US. Bill Gates has testified to that effect before Congressional subcommittees at least twice. Ironically, the converse seems to be the case. Since the visa program began in 1990, the US tech sector has undergone considerable change. Most notably, up to 2 million US STEM workers have been laid off and replaced with workers who were brought in on visas.

And the jobs created by the favored economic theory of the free traders? Which jobs will the free traders have Americans performing after their handiwork is complete? The exact nature of these jobs is, of course, never brought under any meaningful scrutiny. The theory probably alludes to part time jobs at Starbucks or Walmart. They would apparently prefer to draw comparisons between survival jobs providing scant income and no benefits to high paying software development careers. The high tech careers would enable US citizens and green card holders to continue to make their mortgage payments. If only the free traders would let us keep the jobs!

I noticed an interesting diary on DKos the other day. The diarist asks for a re-evaluation of the prevailing economic school of thought. Perhaps the neoclassical school of economics needs to be swapped out in favor of a more workable approach to defining economic success. Let's consider, for example, a school of economic thought that has been successful in the past, instead of one that has landed us squarely in the midst of another Great Depression. After three decades of nonstop free trade, it looks as if a re-evaluation of some type would be in order!

Speaking of the Depression, where is the economy today, exactly? Market Watch published the following:

There is a risk here of a panic sell-off in stock markets and the next leg down in the stock bear market looks imminent, as the ills of the global financial system virulently infect the global economy,

said Mark O'Byrne, executive director at Gold and Silver Investments Limited, in a research note.

Originally posted to tech ed on Fri Feb 20, 2009 at 11:56 AM PST.

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Does the US economy need employer visas to achieve economic growth?

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  •  Your reasoning amounts to this: (10+ / 0-)

    since some people are criminals, all people are criminals.

    I really don't feel like rehashing the tired H-1B debate, but it's really not reasonable to extrapolate from one small criminal conspiracy to an indictment of the entire program.

    There has never been a government benefit program in history that did not involve some fraud.  That's not to defend fraud, of course--but just to say you'd be laughed out of the room if you made this identical aregument with respect to, say, social security or Medicaid or unemployment benefits, etc.

    •  Do Klugman and Friedman agree (1+ / 0-)
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      Toon

      on each and every point regarding the visas?

      Even Friedman referred to the visas as "a corporate subsidy." This is hardly an endorsement of the employer visa programs, and it's coming from one of the most vociferous free trade economists.

  •  Didn't know Lou Dobbs was now... (2+ / 0-)
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    Tach, jct

    writing diaries here.  Or, is this Katie Pilgrim?

    Really...4 men convicted.  

    Member of the "Fellows of the Ass Society." Dedicated to reminding people that most knowledge still comes from books. Not Wikipedia.

    by David Kroning on Fri Feb 20, 2009 at 12:01:39 PM PST

  •  I Agree We Need Less H1B Visas But (3+ / 0-)
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    Katie71, tech ed, IT Professional

    Not for your reasoning, but because we have enough skilled workers here in the US to do the job.

    •  The legal aspects of the visas and green cards (1+ / 0-)
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      does help to spur the discussion forward, though.

      •  You are losing credibility... (0+ / 0-)

        ....even among the H-1B opponents on this thread.

        •  The poll results indicate the opposite. (1+ / 0-)
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          My views are supported by a margin of 3.5 to 1.

          Also, from your diary post, it looks like you have no impartiality. You are 100% in favor of bringing in more workers on H-1B and other programs, in spite of the fact that they are not needed now, and they were never needed in the past. US workers have been bypassed for the jobs. US workers, including US citizens and green card holders, have always been capable of performing the work when provided with the opportunities. The tragedy is that almost all of the job offers are currently going to H-1B only.

          •  Stop making stuff up... (0+ / 0-)

            ....Nowhere have I suggested that we need to bring in more H-1Bs. So you are just lying.

            Also, when I said you were losing credibility, take a look at comments by mysticlaker, David Kroning and rssai.

            As for your poll question, I voted "no" but your diary seems to suggest that the H-1B program needs to shut down since these 4 folks were indicted. No one here is buying that logic.

  •  breaking: "mexicans cross border" (3+ / 0-)
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    jct, debedb, nishant

    tech-ed: "all mexicans are criminals"

    First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win - Gandhi

    by mysticlaker on Fri Feb 20, 2009 at 12:33:29 PM PST

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